Subject: Re: huge problem
From: Pekka Toppi (pot@norssi.oulu.fi)
Date: Tue Nov 30 1999 - 13:37:54 EET
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, joshua 'hook' corning wrote: > Pekka Toppi wrote: > > > So. When are our (your) descs dated? I mean. They could be dated right > > before the cataclysm, before the events that lead to cataclysm started. > > And why should we worry about any of that stuff. There is no problem, > > you're just making one up. If we decide that orc's didn't invade > > anthainon. Maybe they didn't have the time or maybe antahainon just stood > > against their attacks, we don't even have to have a reason if we just > > decide, for it has no meaning in the start of the game. We need no new > > descs, except the one after the cataclysm. We can just decide that besides > > the effects of cataclysm, the world stayed the same. > > Funny that you use our world as an example below yet totaly ignore it > here. Saying that suddenly majik stops being a dynamic world for a 1000 > years is absured. Surely you don't actualy mean what you stated above. I do. I didn't mean the world would be static. I'm just saying that we don't have to write every fucking detail up. The descs we have written can be used as the background for the new descs just as Yorka said in his examples. If you want to start writing up 1000 years of timeline, fine. And where did that 1000 years come from anyway ¨> > > Nobody wants to get rid of history. There is no need to destory history > > just because people abandoned their old believes. If you look at our > > world, people have revolted and abandoned many believes, religions, social > > systems etc. and still we have a history dating through all these periods. > > Just because the world changed dramatically, doesn't mean that everything > > before that is lost. > > We live in a world with printing presses, libraries, book stores, > telephones, computer data bases, and people with huge amounts of time on > their hands to conduct studies of the past. What we know of history is > not a direct line of knowledge. History as we know it had to be > rediscovered and is still being peiced together. In the times without > the technology and extra time it gives us, culture and religion were > history. You have to remember most people in these times do not read and > most history and culture is passed down from word of mouth or from the > churches. It is absured to think that these people will suddenly start > going back to old ways that are some 1000 years old. The examples Mandor > and Yorka used to explain how this could happen in which culture and > religion where abandoned were Nazi germany and christianity. Nazis > existed in the modern world with telephones and printing presses and it > occured in only one culture for only a short time. This is a terrible > example. Majik has no resembalance in time place or circumstances with > nazi germany. Christianity is a better example but name me one culture > that has reverted back to their old religions and cultures after > christianity took over. None. It should also be noted that it took > nearly 1000 years for christianty to take full hold of europe. It should > be noted as well chistianity has never taken full hold in india, japan, > china, and the middle east. Sinister anwered this already. There is no point wondering what the people WOULD do. I don't understand your attitude towards these things. In the sake of the game we can decide that people actually did so. Or maybe they don't even remember what they did in the last days before the cataclysm. They will just find proof of the culture BEFORE the wizards and atheism. AND us sages will TEACH and TELL them how the world will run and what is the right way. Ofcourse the "right" way will depend on the sage you're listening. > > No. We have a good reason for them to be upset and we have a good reason > > for the cataclysm and we have a good story. Why in the hell should we > > start all over again just because you find problems in everything but your > > own ideas. GRR =) > > Actually my ideas for the cataclysm have not even been examined by > anyone save Mcduff. It is actually funny that you mention this becouse > every attempt i make to be part of this disscusion has been cut off from > the start. I have never said that it is a bad story at its base. For > some other world with other constraints it would work fine. I am just > pointing out problems that conflict with the intention of the cataclysm > which was to preserve history like yorka and mandor wanted when we > decided upon this compromise. There are also the ideas of Sinister which > Yorka was starting to warm to that does not require a long period of > time or for all the cultures and religions to be abandoned which are not > my ideas but i like. Well. For some time you have been the only one who has problems with our decisions, which has the majority of designers of them. Sinister has had different opinions too, but still the majority? is supporting this version. In the convension and before that we decided these things and it is too bad you were'nt there. Ofcourse we can add some things and make slight modifications but as sure as hell atleast I don't want to start all over again. Pekka Toppi/Mirithil
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