Re: A summary of things decided

Subject: Re: A summary of things decided
From: Kim Kunnas (
Date: Fri Dec 17 1999 - 10:46:08 EET

Are these things 100% accepted now so we can write files about
them. (Answer no is not accepted j/k :P)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Kaoru Shalamberidze wrote:

> Contents of this mail are based on the majik 'pikkujoulu' con and a 
> converstation that has involved atleast : Mandor, Yokraturr, Dazzt,
> Namhas, Harum, Beregar, Brethel, Mirithil, Malekith, some parts are
> also 'chatted straight' with Hook and Eleril. 
> The purpose of this mail is to wrap up some decisions and give them the
> absolute final stamp of "approved". End of debate and bullshit.
> The stuff presented here :
> 1.  Nature of magic / structure of reality
> 2.  Spells
> 3.  Events behind the creation
> 4.  The elder gods
> 5.  The new gods
> 6.  The ancients
> 7.  Men
> 8.  War of gods
> 9.  Power levels
> 10. Kinetics between gods
> 11. The sages
> 12. Divine points and power mechanisms
> 13. Avatars
> 14. Flying rooms
> 15. NPC's
> 16. Starting player list
> 17. The cataclysm
> 18. Timeline of events in Majik
> All this stuff here HAS BEEN DECIDED these are NOT proposals.
> ---
> 1. Nature of magic and structure of reality
> Just like in quantum physics, also the majik universe consists of very
> small parts. These are the parts that from reality. Also the basic idea
> and force behind magic. They can be called Vim, Vis, Magical Force, Prime
> Particles, or what ever you will. Lets you Prime Particles or PP in this
> description. Just like small quantum particles form quarks, protons, atoms
> etc. In the same way PP's form patterns and patterns from pattern groups.
> These patterns construct things like time, matter, energy, mind, spirit,
> space, soul, entropy, etc, etc.. all the spheres/symbols/domains or what
> ever you want to call them. Everything within the creation is based on
> PP's and patterns. They are building blocks of reality and existence.
> When the elder gods created the universe they designed it to work on these
> basics, there was no magic before this event. Thus elder gods created
> magic. And they know exactly how the universe works. They see beyond the
> normal illusion of existence, they know what is beyond. 
> The whole concept of magic is mislead, since there is no such thing, magic
> is the same as reality. Same as our atoms and leptons, quarks and bosons.
> The only difference is that in the universe of majik the gods made it
> possible to see the patterns forming everyhting and they also made it
> possible for those with skill to manipulate the patterns. That leads us
> to:
> 2. Spells
> Also the concept of spells is a bit mislead. It is as obscure are things
> like "skill" "talent" "attitude" etc.. in real life. Magic is the act of
> manipulating reality, or to be more precise the act of manipulating the
> patterns that form reality. Almost none - NOT EVEN the new gods are able
> to manipulate everything by manipulating single PP's, that is a vast power
> usually only in the hands of elder gods. This is a meta-physical base
> level dealing directly with the base components of reality. Same magical
> effects can be generated by perhaps a 100 different ways, thus there isnt
> any one spell like "fireball" the effects similar to "fireball" can be
> generated by many different reality-manipulative ways, like : changing the
> energy patterns to create fire, transmuting matter to energy, transporting
> fire from future/past to the present, transporting fire from another place
> to this place.. etc.. Players have to able to create their own
> combinations and their own "spells".. a player mage can invent a
> comnination that changes reality and gives a fireball-like effect as a
> result and then he can label that as 'fireball' and cast it as suchs on
> later day.
> 3. Events behind the creation
> First there was Namhas alone in the void. After him came Aluna, Dalia and
> Sinister. Aluna being 'white' Dalia being 'grey' and Sinister being
> 'black' After them came their descedants, Dazzt, Mandor, Harum and
> Yorkaturr. Dalia got too close to Sinister and started being more black
> than grey, this resulted in Aluna killing Dalia. These events took
> namaless eons in the world of the void. Also while in the void the gods
> experiemented, created servants, did their doings for many millena. After
> eons of age Namhas decided that it was time for something greater, time to
> start the creation. Gods pretty much destroyed or abandoned their old
> affairs and servants, bahished them in the abyss. These 7 beings, namhas,
> aluna, sinister, dazzt, mandor, harum and yorkaturr constructed the
> universe and did the creation. They based the structure on prime particles
> and alloved them to be manipulated, thus creating magic (above) they built
> the whole creation based on similar rules - which however where on their
> own everchanging hands. The rest of this history follows in Majik time
> line.
> 4. The elder gods
> Elder gods are the most powerful beings in the creation - pretty much
> because its their own bloody creation :).. Their true forms can never
> exist in the creation, they always have their true forms in the world of
> the void. They always use avatars of projections to interact with the
> creation, thou they can manipulate the creation even from the void. Their
> true form can never be visible, material or anything alike. Their true
> forms cannot be touched by anything in the creation, and thus they never
> can be even harmed - except by each other. Only another elder gods can
> really harm another. New gods or other beings can destroy the avatars of
> elder gods, if they have enough power to do that - but just wait a while
> and that elder god you just killed is back with even meaner avatar :) with
> a venegance. Elder gods arent just only beings, but also forces that are
> at work in the universe. Yorkaturr the god of death IS death in every
> sense. When somebody dies Yorkaturr is there to take him away. The same
> thing goes for Mandor, when sun has set his presence fills the world in
> the form of darkness. The portions of elder gods overlap somewhat, but
> that is ment to be so. 
> 5. The new gods
> New gods are the first servants and 'assistant powers' created by the
> elder gods to control and manage the creation. The new gods now in
> god-level power are the most promising ones of those ever made, they have
> managed to survive for a very very long time, and they have considerable
> power. Most powerful of them have about the same power and influence over
> the creation as do the elder gods - witch the exception that they are part
> of the creation, not outside it like the elder gods. They can be killed
> and they can never exist in the primodial world of the void. 
> 6. The ancients
> The ancients are former new gods or beings who took the form of flesh.
> They avoided the war of gods by doing this. Their share in the order of
> things has become a smaller one over time. But they are the ancestors of
> some races that dwell the world today. Sages belong to this race of the
> ancients. Today after the cataclysm they are few in existence. 
> 7. Men
> Humanity was created in the middle of the war of gods by new gods. They
> created humans to aid them, to ally with them, and to feed them power.
> Humanity worshipped the new gods and gave them power. Since the patterns
> of life, soul, spirit and mind are powerfulones, this would have been a
> good plan - it they ever would have had any change of winning the elder
> gods. Some of the mannish races were also created by the elder gods, but
> this was at a later date, after new gods created the first of men.
> 8. War of gods
> Some time after the creation the servants of elder gods (new gods) started
> to disagree with their masters, they even abandoned them in some cases.
> There were very many spirits/new gods in exitence and only those 7 old
> geezer gods. Some of the spirits started to gather knowledge and power,
> make war with each other and so on. When they finally got powerful enough
> they turned against the elder gods. They got very powerhungry and had
> severe delusions of grandeour. The war lasted a very long time. Partly
> because the elder gods had very little interest in it :).. and the end
> result was clear, new gods lost. After the war elder gods forced new gods
> to take responsibilities within the creation. And they did so partly by
> their own will too. World came to a new order and has stayed as such.
> 9. Power levels
> I     elder gods - namhas
> II    elder gods - sinister and aluna
> III   elder gods - dazzt, mandor, harum and yorkaturr
> IV    new gods - god level
> V     new gods - lesser god level
> VI    new gods - demigod level
> VII   the ancients and the sages
> Within the levels there ofcourse exists quite view differences, but these
> are the major brakepoints in power. 
> 10. Kinetics between gods
> Kinetics of power between mandor, harum and yorkaturr are interesting. 
> They change almost constantly, since these 3 sons step on each others toes
> and partly overlap sinisters domain aswell. Yorkaturr also dislikes both
> his brothers, but doesnt dislike sinister. The 3 brothers rarely unite,
> rarely work together or towards a single goal. They even fight somewhat
> with each other to 'shake things out'
> There also exists a nice balance between Dazzt and the 3 brothers. Dazzt
> is the most powerful of elder god-level gods, He alone against any one
> single person of the 3 brothers and dazzt would win. But 2 brothers united
> can beat Dazzt. But since the 3 dont much do things together the balance
> stays. There also is link between Yorkaturr and Dazzt.. since there is no
> death without life and no life without death. All healing also requires
> dying and dying requires healing. This group of 4 gods tend to avoid each
> other alot. 
> 11. The sages
> The sages are ancients who took the form of "flesh" the form doesnt have
> to exactly flesh, but it cant be that of celestial spirit either. Sages
> are ancient creatures all the way from the time before the war of gods.
> They watched and learned while others did war, and it was the sages who
> first predicted the loss of the new gods. The sages today interact with
> gods and other powers on daily basis. Sages help them, inform them, serve
> them etc.. or just simply hang around with them. Some sages are even older
> than some god-level new gods. And almost certainly older than any demigod
> in existence. Their knowledge is vast and their insight great. And they
> know the act of manipulating reality very well indeed. And they know gods,
> some of them even personally. 
> 12. Divine points and power mechanisms
> Elder gods have _VAST_ number of dinive points and power. They dont need
> to be worshipped as much to get more of them either. An elder god might
> even step outside the creation and summon a huge pile of power and then
> come back - thus effectively generating power from thin air. But usually
> its too much of a hassle and they have enough power anyways. There also is
> a power mechanism behind the flow of divine points, much like a pyramid
> effect in network marketing or something. Eventually everythig will end up
> to namhas, all good to aluna and all bad to sinister. Elder gods can also
> draw power from beyond this reality (creating from thin air) Elder gods
> also have a huge number of woshippers. The power comes flowing from down
> to up. From the lowest demigod all the way up to namhas. 
> New gods have more narrow domains than elder gods, and they DO NOT have
> the ability to drain power from cources outside this reality. But they are
> high in the chain-of-power mechanism, that means that they will get quite
> much power aswell. However even they can't never fully understand the
> creation and this reality as good as can those who made it (the elder
> gods).
> 13. Avatars
> Elder gods in the reality always use avatars. What is a true form to a new
> gods is simply just a prime-avatar for an elder god. Also the earthly
> avatars of gods exist in the world all the time. There are some nodes or
> places of power where the skeleton of Yorkaturr sits silently on his
> throne. When Yorkaturr takes that form it awakens. These avatars can be
> summoned by powerful ritual that tear reality apart and cause these things
> to happen. So it is possible to an avatar of Harum without the spirit of
> harum being inside it. Also death may come to avatars, as well as all
> other things in the creation. Gods are pretty hard to kill thou..
> 14. Flying rooms
> There was 2 "flying rooms" but they were NOT at any point called 'flying
> rooms' instead in stories there exist names like 'celestial castles'
> 'floating mountains' 'celestial mountains' 'sky cities' 'places of origin'
> etc etc.. The 2 flying thingies were created by new gods in the mids of
> the war of gods. The other place contained all 'goodie' races like
> ordinary men, elves etc.. the other contained monster races, and evil ones
> like trolls. They were 2 huge flying inverted mountains that were kept in
> hiding from the elder gods and that crashed to the soil of the world. 
> >From these places of origin the races spread all over the world.
> 15. NPC's
> We dont want dumpass stupid NPC's to run everything. So they are used as
> little as possible. But they ARE used as assistants and servants by the
> players. A player own a bakery - he hires a few dumpass NPC's to run it
> while he isnt online etc.. We try to create as good AI as possible for
> NPC's and even better and heavier one for NPC monsters who play a much
> bigger role than assistants. Hopefully players want to run everything
> themselfs and hopefully we have enough players to do that.
> 16. Starting player list
> We decided to gather a list of maybe 500-2000 players that are COMITTED to
> play the game once it opens. The game starts right after the events of the
> cataclysm and these 500-2000 players are the ones that build the base of
> the world again. After they have done enough the game is really opened for
> everyone. By the time this happens the 500-2000 players will be respected
> elders, land lords or other old geezers or powerful heroes, helping
> newbies and perhaps dominating part of them - but hey thats the way it
> goes. We advertise alot and gather a good 500+ names for this cataclysm
> launch of events.
> 17. The cataclysm
> Events of the cataclysm went as follows :
> - The background events are deep in history. There existed several
>   powerful beings and creatures that all developed towards this event
>   with or without their own knowledge.
> - After countless years they started forming groups, one was sinisters
>   covenant, and one the sinisters group of liches, there were others
>   aswell, many others, no one really knows them all since all these
>   groups were secretive and shady. Some smaller groups formed
>   alliances and grew bigger.
> - They tested their powers against each others and played with great
>   affairs. They battled over things like people, artifacts, knowledge,
>   wealth.. etc.. everything. 
> - This testing escalated into more serious competition and fraction.
> - By this time the different groups had much influence among humanity
>   and the undead. They started to increase and abuse their power
>   in a great scale of things.
> - The first negative effects hit the lesser new gods
> - The groups started an all out war and grew ever stronger in power
> - They started to attract a huge volume of devoted followers for
>   their ideals, which were forexample atheism and satanism + others.
>   People grew more ignorant towards the gods and more supportive
>   towards their powerful leaders, the different wizardy cabals.
>   Who gave them something of value and a sense of greater purpose.
> - As more effects backfired on gods they started to realise that this
>   all wasnt a good thing
> - The cabals and their followers went offensive and started to really
>   resist the gods and the old ways. 
> - The new gods started to resist and fight back, only to find that
>   the elder gods, mainly the evil trio of mandor, harum and yorkaturr
>   were almost entirely behind all this. Mandor feeding hunger for power,
>   harum waging for war and yorkaturr harvesting the dead. 
> - Good gods like Dazzt and other lesser ones started a campaign to
>   help humanity from falling apart. Their efforts were eventually 
>   lost however.
> - The ranks of new gods started to fall apart. Most of their worshippers
>   were now gone or against them. Much of their support and power was
>   gone from their reach. They tried even harder to do something
>   about it but they had too much resistance from the evil elder
>   gods, and the the 9 horsemen of evil. 
> - The workings of the cabal lead to open war of demons and other beings
>   the undead roamed the world and the 9 horsemen caused havoc. 
> - World escalated towards chaos as the new gods abandoned their duties
>   and because of that even more things started to go wrong. The 
>   powerhungry cabals had managed to destroy sages, ancients and even
>   few new gods. The real destruction started about this time.
> - New gods whined beyond anything before. But it was the will of the
>   elders that let humanity destroy themselfs - simply because they
>   are such an assess. Conclave of gods decided to do nothing. Sit and
>   watch as puny humans destroy themselfs. 
> - All the evil creatures of the world finally came out of hiding and
>   joined the symphony of destruction, also good paladins and great
>   holy warriors tried to slay the evil ones. But it was the core
>   of the people that was rotten and what caused the most of the
>   destruction. 
> - Chaos, disorder and madness swept throught the world. 
>   Apocalyptic events took place. 
> - Humanity got their share of extreme natural phenomenon, diseases,
>   madness and chaos. As en end result amnesia came. 
> - After their leaders gone and the world in ruins the people still
>   remember some of the old ways and might even return to those paths.
> 18. Timeline in the world of majik
> - Namhas in the void
> - Aluna, Dalia and Sinister
> - Birth of Dazzt, Mandor, Harum and Yorkaturr
> - Destruction of Dalia
> - Abandoning of the voidal life
> - The creation
> - Creation of servant spirits
> - The ways separate to new gods, ancients and sages
> - Plantlife and the world is created
> - Sinister freezez the world in his fate of the sun
> - Aluna defrobs the world, mostly
> - Sinister takes the great mirror
> - The new gods start to gather power and might
> - The war between gods start
> - Sinister brakes his great mirror, demons enter the world
> - New gods create humanity
> - Elder gods find out but dont care
> - Elder gods create few species of their own
> - The war escalates into a point where the new gods are powerless
> - Elder gods win, the world takes a new order
> - Prosperous times follow, humanity grows and life is beautiful
> - The powerhungry cabals start to get formed
> - Their struggle escalates into a war
> - The chaos begins
> - Gods decide to do nothing
> - The cataclysm takes place
> - Now
> This timeline is only a pretty quick draft =) this should be filled in
> more perfectly at a later time. But iv been writing this damn mail for
> like 2 hours now, id like very much to finish this.
> .mandor

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